Hi all. i am a new member, i am researching Vikings on the Wirral, and a bit taken aback to find Prof Stephen Harding is a member, i feel a bit not worthy now! anyway i have just looked at the drum doctors question, and i myself think the mound he is talking about which was there pre telegraph rd days, may have something to do with the high hill across the road, to be honest it is lower that the hill and i have seen many places from my research where a Thing is placed outside the main hill and lower, so the area is Viking maybe if a dig was dome you may find the remains of some very large stone holes there, if indeed some buried stones.
here are 2 pictures one is from the tythe map, for education purposes only,
and the other is a google shot of the big hill showing what seems to be a large ring, so now i am asking was there a fort on that site?
Hi, yes i myself did more research into the ring shape in my picture, it seems it was investigated in 1965, and nothing came of it, sorry but they didnt have the equipment that we have today, so after looking at it a while longer, i suspect it is Bronze age also, in my research of the Wirral, i have spotted several rings, some a bit vague, and one or 2 stuck out like sore thumbs, but when i check on the databases, i find nothing! how very strange.Also i noticed how similar Thornton is in layout to your village.
There is a talk on the 11th of February in Burton on Viking life in Wirral for the Burton history society (link below)
Here's another aerial shot, not form the usual Google mapping source. You can see some very defined marks in the earth here. This is clearly worthy of a survey.
Hi, yes there is something round there, it can not be any predominant!i use many earth viewers, including Google earth, but i find this Flash Earth quick and easy,i have put a link on to it,and a before and after shot i have just done for you, some people see things better by standing back from your screen a foot or two.Bobhttp://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.455921&lon=-2.630855&z=16.1&r=0&src=msl
It certainly does depend on the picture, and what time of year it was taken,for me the ww2 shots i have seen, have not given me the ability to enhance them, where as the 1970 shots taken over the area are much more clear.in this later google shot i have just done, the rings that where so clear in the last picture are barely visible, but another ring shown up in the field below.Cheshire twin maps are fantastic, i just wish other areas around the country would follow their lead.http://maps.cheshire.gov.uk/tithemaps/TwinMaps.aspx
Going back to your subject post, i managed to get an early Lidar shot of the area,i have put a few arrows at points i find interesting, has anyone got any info on these sites.bob
Oh no! Rob Philpott gone? He did quite a bit of collaborating work with Ron Cowell.
That would be fantastic! I hope that during my lifetime there will be more attempts to discover the Neolithic landscape of Wirral that obviously existed but has so far, only been granted limited investigation.
Thanks very much for the information; it is disappointing to see the Thurstaston site as having no archaeological significance, but at least it can be ruled out.
I was never aware of a mound inside the grounds of Thurstaston Hall being of interest but at lest we know what that is, should it ever come up in conversation!
The Arno I have read as being associated with a barrow, suggesting an important older prehistoric burial site. The fact that it has been occupied during the Roman period might suggest that it was a place already in use earlier, in keeping with the finds in Irby below the Roman excavations.
I am aware of the various Bronze Age burials around Grange Hill – under the site of the old mill and Hill House grounds. Of course, there is very little recorded about these, which is pretty much in keeping with what is yet to be discovered about Wirral’s prehistoric landscape. One of the best books on prehistoric Cheshire is by Victoria and Paul Morgan (2004) but there is very little in it about Wirral and what there is, has already been documented so nothing new.
Regarding the Overchurch site, are we talking about an outer circle of stones as on the 1899 OS map I’ve uploaded?
Thanks for the post reply Steve,Nick this 1856 map only shows a church on a hill, and not much else around, for me that would indicate the church possible replaced a pre christian site! i would certainly like some information on the site.bob
Well I go back to my Cornwall experience when we were taken to one of the oldest churches on the Land's End peninsula, having been built on the site of a prehistoric henge. Plus we have a prehistoric population who obviously buried their dead, cut down the forest, made a crossing at Saughall Massie bridge with the wood they cut down, made a settlement on what is now Leasowe shore etc...so they MUST have had marks in the landscape to do with ceremony and belief. It's just that no one's bothered to look properly yet. Plenty of artifacts (http://www.archaeologyuk.org/ba/ba62/feat3.shtml) have turned up from all the periods showing settlement and because of the proximity of the shoreline in comparison to what it was 2-8000 years ago, we have to see the Wirral landscape in a different way. Clearly the highest points would have always been the ridge from West Kirby to Heswall and Bidston Hill, so I would expect such prominent points to have held some sort of significance in burial and monument.
It is also worth considering the wider landscape going into Cheshire, already well researched as far as prehistory goes. In doing so, consider the Beeston Crag in its promintory position, with its history of Neolithic, Bronze Age & Iron Age activity. I mention this, because when standing around the area where the garage is on the Meols-Moreton stretch (A553), on a clear day, it is possible to see Beeston Crag in the distance! Imagine once trees were removed from that line of sight, it would have been possible for the prehistoric population of the Meols Moreton area to see where their neighbours lived on an even higher ground. There's no way this was an isolated landscape, it's just that somebody needs to start joining the dots.