I still speak regularly with my Nan who lives in Moreton. She loves the place and has clear memories of the area. Although she went through World War 2 she says that some of her best times were during that time.She can recall that she would stand in the back garden just off Moreton cross and watch the planes dog fighting in the skies above the Mersey. On other occasions of an evening they would stand and watch the tracer fire illuminate the sky around the area. She remembers there being a Ack Ack gun and search light just off Borrowdale Road and several down by the shore.When the air raid sirens would go off her father would hurry them all into the small bedroom and push the bed infront of the winodw. They would not come out again until the all clear siren sounded. She would always hope that the air raid sirens would go off when she was out the house, that way she could stay out with her friends. When i asked her if she was frightened she replied "No, i was young and it didnt bother me too much back then". She has a vivied recollection of the Germans trying to bomb the "Vacuum" oil factory which she said was by St James church in Bidston. On one particular occasion a direct hit was scored which caused a massive explosion which could be seen all the way from Moreton. "It was a fantastic site" she replied, but not for the people around it.
First post on the forum so hope I'm doing it right! My name is Lin and my Mum is Dorothy Griffiths who lived at Lingham Cottage!
Recently started to research my family history as I knew nothing and was amazed to come across posts by you (and also Benny who I will contact too)
Hope you get this - I'm sure you can fill in lots of blanks about the time at Lingham Cottage
I'm new to the forum. My name is Lin and my mum is Dorothy Griffiths who used to live at Lingham Cottage with her father Frederick Smith. We must be related! I have just started to research my family history (which I knew almost nothing about when I started) and was amazed to come across the posts which you and Susan had put on about Lingham Cottage.
Hope you get this - I'd love to hear from you!
Saw your message on site. Hope you get this too, as I'm not computer literate!
Would be very happy to e-mail you with any (family) details I remember when living at Lingham Cottage. I only really remember grandad Smith, your mum and dad and Elizabeth, Michael and John (and Valerie vaguely).
Benny has not been in touch for some while but he has traced the family tree back to 1841.
Do send your e-mail, if you are happy to. Every blessing. Susan
I'm not sure how much you know concerning the Smith family so I'll just give you some basics to begin with though your mum (if she is still alive) is best placed to give you details as she will know more than me.
I was born in 1950 and lived at Lingham Cottage with Grandad Smith (Frederick Victor), my mum (Lily) my dad (Hubert Victor - known as Vic) and my brothers until end 1959 when my dad died.
During part of that time, your mum and dad lived with us and had Elizabeth. I clearly remember Michael and John and think they lived with us briefly too before moving opposite what was Lingham Lane junior school. But your mum and dad may have moved out before they were born - if so, they visited a lot. I was aware of Valerie and you but lost track of any further additions and would love to know more of your history and that of your siblings and what order you came in!
Your mum was the youngest of 6 or 7 children fathered by Frederick Smith (grandad) who was married and widowed twice (both wives were called Martha) and I believe they are buried in the same grave at Christ Church Moreton.
I think my dad was next youngest but he was about 14 years older than your mum.
Ben Smith (Benny) moved to Lingham Cottage in 1960 with his parents Ted and Mary and brothers Jimmy and Ted. He also had a sister called Pat.
I'll quote from an e-mail I received from him with some Smith family history which may be of use.
"I have traced the family tree back to 1841 where a Elizabeth Smith and George Smith lived who married John Howard's daughter Alice. I believe George Smith is our great Grandfather, and on the 1881 census John, Alice, George, along with their children Mary, Emma, Walter and Frederick Victor (our grandad)
The 1901 census showed grandad living in 34 Marion Street, Birkenhead along with his wife Martha, and children George Frederick (8), Ethel (4) and Margaret (Aunty Marie) who was 1. The 1911 census shows them living in 24 Garnett Street, Birkenhead where my dad (Ted) was born."
I think Elizabeth and George were brother and sister - so George married Alice (1st para of Ben's quote) and Alice's father lived with them
Your dad (my Uncle Bill) used to bring fresh shrimps to the cottage and we would shell and eat them. I've never tasted so good since! Your mum was my godmother when I was confirmed in 1966.
That's probably enough for now and you may already know much of this already. If there is anything specific then please get in touch.
Nice to hear from you.
The last time I spoke to your mum was at my fathers funeral in landican in November 1986 .
Do you still live in the Moreton area?
Look forward to hearing form you.
Nice to hear from you too! I lived in Moreton until 2008 and am now living in Devon.
I've just started doing family tree stuff and have been quite lucky to find a lot out (thought I would have more trouble due to the 'common' surnames I was looking at). Funnily enough I have found strong links to the South West on both my Mum and Dad's side so I feel as if I have roots here too.
It sounds like you moved to Lingham just as my Mum and Dad moved out. My Mum is still alive but sadly we lost my Dad.
Lovely to hear from you. Don't worry about the post appearing on main forum.
I've been doing some ancestry research and have been really lucky as I have made contact with other people who relate to 3 out of the 4 grandparents. Not bad considering the surnames I was looking for were Smith, Wood, Griffiths and Ryder!
I'll send you my email via message.
Hi - meant to also say that I have details of the Smith side of the family back to 1736. I can't claim much glory though as I was given help by other people who had also done research.
The Smiths are all linked with the Moreton and Bidston area which I'm sure will come as no great surprise to you.
Apologies for not contacting you again sooner, but unfotunately through my old age I forgot what my user name was, but worked it out today thrrough trial and error. I am afraid a creature of habit and use the same names and passwords throughout wofrk and home.
Hope you are keeping well, and had a good 50th birthday party in Hoylake. Apologies for not coming but I felt a bit nervous as I did not have an official invitation, only through Carol.
Can you forward me a copy of your familay tree so I can match it with mine, which I may have lost through my computer crashing.
Is Aunty Dorothy still alive, and if so how old is she, as I said in one of my last emails I sw her at my dads funeral back in 1986.
I have a photo Grandad Smith and his wife Martha I believe this is his second wife your Grandmother, taken I believe in and around 1920, but unfortunately I don't know how to attach it.
I look forward to hearing from you in the near future.
Could you message me your email address and I can link you in to the tree on Ancestry. You'll be able to look at the tree and any photos on it even if you're not a member of the site.
I'm sorry that I didn't invite you personally to the party but I ran out of time trying to organise things and I only had contact with you via this forum. I had a great time but it was over too soon.
I have got a copy of that photo (I think it's a lovely clear one) and also a few other ones taken later on but not very many. It's been quite hard to get my head round all the new relatives that I've found out about. I've met up with Eddie a few times and he showed me some pictures of you with Jackie.
My Mum is still alive and she still lives in Maryland Lane. She was really happy to hear that I was in contact with you and I'm sure she would love to hear from you. Once I've got your email I'll send you her address.
I live in Devon now but come back to the Wirral to see family so I hope that we get to meet up one day soon.
Hope you are well - take care
Nice to hear from you again.
My email address is firstname.lastname@example.org. I would love to hear form you and see the photographs.
Look forward to hearing form you soon,
hi im new to this site but ive been looking for photos of the old shanty town around pasture Road and Moreton Shore does anyone have any or no where i can find some thankyou
There are 2 pages of photos in a Liverpool Echo glossy magazine called 'Incredible Wirral', £3 from 'merseyshop.com'. There's a whole series of excellent Merseyside nostalgia magazines on their website, and good prices too.
I remember being sent to Parkinsons' for bread. It was very good bread. A one-pound loaf cost a penny-three-farthings, and a two-pound loaf was twopence-halfpenny, I think.
To Moreton Mad Man --
Wasn't the siren attached to the Coach & Horses? A horrible noise. After bombing Liverpool, Birkenhead, and Wallasey, the German bombers would head out to sea in the process of turning back for home, and would dump any bombs they had left. A land-mine dropped in the middle of Chapel Hill Road & destroyed a lot of the houses. A bomb on Carnsdale Road destroyed two houses. As I recall, people were killed. Some years after the war, they tested the siren again, and at the sound my stomach turned over.